Carnivals!

October 9th, 2006

It’s that time of the month again…

There’s the first-ever Carnival of African Women on ‘Blogging and Identity’. And there’s the 24th Carnival of Feminists, with posts on feminism and pop culture, choice feminism, sex-pos feminism and ifeminism.

And, of course, a crop of links about the Veil Thing.

What veil thing? you might ask, if you spent most of this week sheltering under an umbrella from the overhead storms of cyber-media-discourse.

I write that and I immediately think of something I once heard from a very wise woman about a verandah in a monastery in China. It was known as the Listening to the Rain Verandah…. She had stood on that verandah once in a huge, warm thunderstorm. As she was enjoying the verandah she wished she could always have that verandah to go and be on in thunderstorms; to have a reassuringly dry place to take refuge in while the world happened noisily, at one remove, around her. The kind of verandah you can walk out onto and hear the rain and watch the rain and be in the rain and yet not wet. Sometimes I want to come back to that kind of nice, dry verandah in myself. You know the mood…. Those days when you don’t want to catch people’s eyes and wished you were wearing a hoodie so you could just pull it right over your brow and be protected from It All. The kind of day when you don’t want to talk. And the rest of the world can just deal with it.

There’s a lot to be said for hoodies. And umbrellas.

But I digress. Back to the Veil Thing. Well, there’s the Jack Straw Veil Thing, which is sizzling away here, here and here (there’s also a good point here).

And then there’s the feminist blogosphere Veil/burqa Thing (see also this and this) - an evolution of last month’s Boob Thing.

And the thing is (“what is the thing, Natasha?”), the thing is - these discussions are better than any I’ve ever had offline. Honest. Go read.

[UPDATE: I just improved the linking in this last paragraph re. Bitch|Lab’s fair comment below.]

6 Responses to “Carnivals!”

  1. Bitch | Lab Says:

    hiya. I appreciate the link, but out of respect for the fact that white women are the primary ppl who advance this critique, it’s really important that BfP’s link comes first.

    Sounds silly, but I notice that there are always many more hits on the first link in a series. She should be read first. In fact, unless I add something new, I should just be taken out of the mix.

    Again, I’m not unhappy about being linked to, it’s just that BfPs post should be highlighted because she started and knows far more about it than I do.

  2. natasha Says:

    Thanks for pointing that out. It’s a good point and I hope you feel comfortable about how I’ve changed it now - you’re in brackets.

    I had a bit of a struggle trying to choose between original posts and over-view posts, because most of my readers (as far as I can tell) might be hearing about it for the first time - and may not have time to start from the beginning. (Which is why I’d still like to keep your link if you don’t mind).

    But it’s a good point, well made: it’s better to start at the beginning. Thanks for taking the trouble to save me from myself.

  3. Bitch | Lab Says:

    natasha –

    first, thanks for reading my intended meaning where i should have said “white women are NOT the primary ppl…”

    It is very difficult to characterize a debate like this for people who haven’t been playing along and/or who don’t know majore players isn’t it?

  4. natasha Says:

    Yep it’s really hard - and also for me coz I’m just a littl’un and have been keeping quiet through most of the threads. Mostly because I avoid conflict. Which isn’t always clever. Nor wise.

    (Glad I thought I knew what you meant.)

  5. Melinda Casino Says:

    FYI, if you haven’t seen this Feminish: I mention both Feminish and both carnivals in this post.

    Best,

    Melinda

  6. natasha Says:

    Thanks so much Melinda.

    I was really tickled that you found the wallpaper post buried in there somewhere - and really appreciate the fact it was double-posted to Blogher too. Thank you.

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Carnivals!

October 9th, 2006

It’s that time of the month again…

There’s the first-ever Carnival of African Women on ‘Blogging and Identity’. And there’s the 24th Carnival of Feminists, with posts on feminism and pop culture, choice feminism, sex-pos feminism and ifeminism.

And, of course, a crop of links about the Veil Thing.

What veil thing? you might ask, if you spent most of this week sheltering under an umbrella from the overhead storms of cyber-media-discourse.

I write that and I immediately think of something I once heard from a very wise woman about a verandah in a monastery in China. It was known as the Listening to the Rain Verandah…. She had stood on that verandah once in a huge, warm thunderstorm. As she was enjoying the verandah she wished she could always have that verandah to go and be on in thunderstorms; to have a reassuringly dry place to take refuge in while the world happened noisily, at one remove, around her. The kind of verandah you can walk out onto and hear the rain and watch the rain and be in the rain and yet not wet. Sometimes I want to come back to that kind of nice, dry verandah in myself. You know the mood…. Those days when you don’t want to catch people’s eyes and wished you were wearing a hoodie so you could just pull it right over your brow and be protected from It All. The kind of day when you don’t want to talk. And the rest of the world can just deal with it.

There’s a lot to be said for hoodies. And umbrellas.

But I digress. Back to the Veil Thing. Well, there’s the Jack Straw Veil Thing, which is sizzling away here, here and here (there’s also a good point here).

And then there’s the feminist blogosphere Veil/burqa Thing (see also this and this) - an evolution of last month’s Boob Thing.

And the thing is (“what is the thing, Natasha?”), the thing is - these discussions are better than any I’ve ever had offline. Honest. Go read.

[UPDATE: I just improved the linking in this last paragraph re. Bitch|Lab’s fair comment below.]

6 Responses to “Carnivals!”

  1. Bitch | Lab Says:

    hiya. I appreciate the link, but out of respect for the fact that white women are the primary ppl who advance this critique, it’s really important that BfP’s link comes first.

    Sounds silly, but I notice that there are always many more hits on the first link in a series. She should be read first. In fact, unless I add something new, I should just be taken out of the mix.

    Again, I’m not unhappy about being linked to, it’s just that BfPs post should be highlighted because she started and knows far more about it than I do.

  2. natasha Says:

    Thanks for pointing that out. It’s a good point and I hope you feel comfortable about how I’ve changed it now - you’re in brackets.

    I had a bit of a struggle trying to choose between original posts and over-view posts, because most of my readers (as far as I can tell) might be hearing about it for the first time - and may not have time to start from the beginning. (Which is why I’d still like to keep your link if you don’t mind).

    But it’s a good point, well made: it’s better to start at the beginning. Thanks for taking the trouble to save me from myself.

  3. Bitch | Lab Says:

    natasha –

    first, thanks for reading my intended meaning where i should have said “white women are NOT the primary ppl…”

    It is very difficult to characterize a debate like this for people who haven’t been playing along and/or who don’t know majore players isn’t it?

  4. natasha Says:

    Yep it’s really hard - and also for me coz I’m just a littl’un and have been keeping quiet through most of the threads. Mostly because I avoid conflict. Which isn’t always clever. Nor wise.

    (Glad I thought I knew what you meant.)

  5. Melinda Casino Says:

    FYI, if you haven’t seen this Feminish: I mention both Feminish and both carnivals in this post.

    Best,

    Melinda

  6. natasha Says:

    Thanks so much Melinda.

    I was really tickled that you found the wallpaper post buried in there somewhere - and really appreciate the fact it was double-posted to Blogher too. Thank you.

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